Walraven // Forums // Thread 1612
Gems. More resources. Classes., trodo, 2004-03-02 20:08:12
Gems. More resources. Classes.
say more..., malap, 2004-03-02 21:00:19
What resources? Why? What would they be used for?
What classes? Why? I think we're fine classles.
Also, please post one idea per thread, it makes it a lot easier for us to keep track of things and what we're implementing.
What classes? Why? I think we're fine classles.
Also, please post one idea per thread, it makes it a lot easier for us to keep track of things and what we're implementing.
dupes, malap, 2004-03-02 21:12:12
Thread 1609 covers classes, thread 1605 covers gems.
So, this thread is just open for the 'resources' discussion, the other topics should be posted on in the original threads.
So, this thread is just open for the 'resources' discussion, the other topics should be posted on in the original threads.
Don't know if this should go here but, aeao, 2004-03-03 12:38:28
I would like to be able to get sand and make it into glass. I don't much like having a whole in my wall fro a window on my cottage.
Perhaps be able to strike oil for fuel (though coal would work as fuel also)
Flint to make fire (though I think casting fire bolt at something flammable would work)
Perhaps be able to strike oil for fuel (though coal would work as fuel also)
Flint to make fire (though I think casting fire bolt at something flammable would work)
Oil as fuel, acius, 2004-03-03 19:49:58
Note that until, oh, a century or so ago, we didn't know how to use oil as a fuel. It was considered a cursed nuisance if you found it on your land. People knew it was flammable, but it made such an awful stench that it wasn't practical to use it as fuel.
Later on we discovered how to refine the stuff, and now we can't get enough of it.
Coal was the fuel of industry in earlier times.
Later on we discovered how to refine the stuff, and now we can't get enough of it.
Coal was the fuel of industry in earlier times.
But, sora, 2004-03-04 09:05:46
Aren't we post-modern, er post-apocalyptic? Wouldn't that kind of knowledge remained?
I heard that somewhere, aeao, 2004-03-04 10:55:28
I also was under the impression that it was post-apocalyptic
True, but, acius, 2004-03-04 22:17:16
We're going on the principle that the vast, vast majority of ancient knowledge was lost. Society degraded down to tribal/no writing system/hunt & gather stages, agriculture redeveloped, etc. The post-apocalyptic stuff is merely to let you find interesting ruins.
At least, that's the current interpretation according to me. We're still in alpha, so all story elements are subject to change ;-).
At least, that's the current interpretation according to me. We're still in alpha, so all story elements are subject to change ;-).
without reason or notice :), aeao, 2004-03-04 22:32:25
And after the apocalypse we all learned magic?
well..., malap, 2004-03-05 10:45:07
Not everyone, just the suvivors who did a 'skillme'.
Eh?, focker, 2004-03-08 18:03:59
I never knew this. =\ Then again, I don't think I ever completely finished reading the Codex. Is that where all the post-apoc stuff is?
close?, garvin, 2006-03-30 01:16:27
This is off topic and there are plenty of other threads out there for the listed topic. As well, many more resources have been planned than what I believe existed at the time this was created.
glass, gpfault, 2006-03-30 16:12:05
Probably a very crude art, and to get anything decent you'd have to pay a master artisan HUGE amounts. Glass would probably be a luxury only royalty (and very rich nobles) could afford. Think stained glass windows.
i know there are several threads for this, but i don't know where, garvin, 2006-03-30 21:24:50
One of the primary ingredients for the original glass was sand.
The concept of glass making is to melt a solid substance and then cool it superfast so that there is no oppotunity for the substance to recrystalize. Onyx is most easily described as volcanic glass. It is composed of minerals/elements that are in a volcano's magma. While in the volcano it is liquid. But it is given an opportunity to cool, and rapidly so. It forms glass rock.
Granted, some substances make better glasses than othes. The reason you don't see onyx being refashioned into onyx bowls by typical glass blowing methods is because the temperatures required to melt onyx down into a malleable form are to high to safely manufacture in human reproduction. The temperatures required for the melting of sand particals is far more within our reach.
One instance I remember from a movie...i think it was called _Sweet_Home_Alabama_. There was a part in there about how the lightning, when it struck the sand, super heated it and melted it to a depth of about 12 inches in eratic patterns. The liquid sand would cool into glass.
I think crafting glass would have to happen in two phases. First, the actual making of the glass--taking the constituent components and melting them down. Usually when that happens with raw materials, the glass is far less malleable until it is allowed to harden at least once, from my understanding, as it has to become very fluid to be sure to remove all of the impurities. After the glass has been allowed to harden, it can be taken in chunks and blown or molded or dyed for other uses. Dyes would have to be made from some of the same ingredients as are in paint, i guess: gemstone powder. I don't know much about the dyes used to color glass.
One would also need a forge specifically built for glass blowing, as you can't blow glass in the same forge as a smith forges iron. It needs to be an enclosed forge, large enough for the glass to be blown and spun without hitting the sides or anything else in the forge, with an opening for the blowtube and glass mass. Ideally, it will have a clean platform to prepare a chunk of hardened glass into a more dough-like mass of molten glass. This also requires a metal or ceramic blow tube, ideally metal. It needs to be long, so that it can be held for long periods of time with one end in the fire but the heat has enough time to escape before it reaches the other end.
You'll probably also need glassblower's gloves. And metal shears for shaping/cutting the glass. And a (series of) shaped tool(s) to "paint" the glass with dyes or shape the glass individually.
For making flat or relatively flat items, such as a gently sloping bowl or dish, it is far less complicated. One simply needs to have a mold of a flat window pane which one pours liquid glass into to let it cool (obviously on a flat surface. Ideally, the mold into which it is poured is the same temperature as the glass being poured into it, and they cool together.
That is your basic window pane. From there, you can place the flat mold, cut to fit the outline of the shape. Placing the glass and mold together into an oven will cause the glass to droop into the mold, taking its shape. The glass tends to even off 1/4-inch thick in these types of molds. (my cousin does some of this for profit. i read some of his books he bought for it.) In that manner you could get dishes, shallow bowls, ash trays, etc. Obviously, this oven would be cooler than the oven that smelted the glass in the first place. It needs to be malleable, soft, loose, not quite fluid.
Glass beads can also be made. And i could go into a whole lecture on that as well, and the tools required, but perhaps at a later date?
The concept of glass making is to melt a solid substance and then cool it superfast so that there is no oppotunity for the substance to recrystalize. Onyx is most easily described as volcanic glass. It is composed of minerals/elements that are in a volcano's magma. While in the volcano it is liquid. But it is given an opportunity to cool, and rapidly so. It forms glass rock.
Granted, some substances make better glasses than othes. The reason you don't see onyx being refashioned into onyx bowls by typical glass blowing methods is because the temperatures required to melt onyx down into a malleable form are to high to safely manufacture in human reproduction. The temperatures required for the melting of sand particals is far more within our reach.
One instance I remember from a movie...i think it was called _Sweet_Home_Alabama_. There was a part in there about how the lightning, when it struck the sand, super heated it and melted it to a depth of about 12 inches in eratic patterns. The liquid sand would cool into glass.
I think crafting glass would have to happen in two phases. First, the actual making of the glass--taking the constituent components and melting them down. Usually when that happens with raw materials, the glass is far less malleable until it is allowed to harden at least once, from my understanding, as it has to become very fluid to be sure to remove all of the impurities. After the glass has been allowed to harden, it can be taken in chunks and blown or molded or dyed for other uses. Dyes would have to be made from some of the same ingredients as are in paint, i guess: gemstone powder. I don't know much about the dyes used to color glass.
One would also need a forge specifically built for glass blowing, as you can't blow glass in the same forge as a smith forges iron. It needs to be an enclosed forge, large enough for the glass to be blown and spun without hitting the sides or anything else in the forge, with an opening for the blowtube and glass mass. Ideally, it will have a clean platform to prepare a chunk of hardened glass into a more dough-like mass of molten glass. This also requires a metal or ceramic blow tube, ideally metal. It needs to be long, so that it can be held for long periods of time with one end in the fire but the heat has enough time to escape before it reaches the other end.
You'll probably also need glassblower's gloves. And metal shears for shaping/cutting the glass. And a (series of) shaped tool(s) to "paint" the glass with dyes or shape the glass individually.
For making flat or relatively flat items, such as a gently sloping bowl or dish, it is far less complicated. One simply needs to have a mold of a flat window pane which one pours liquid glass into to let it cool (obviously on a flat surface. Ideally, the mold into which it is poured is the same temperature as the glass being poured into it, and they cool together.
That is your basic window pane. From there, you can place the flat mold, cut to fit the outline of the shape. Placing the glass and mold together into an oven will cause the glass to droop into the mold, taking its shape. The glass tends to even off 1/4-inch thick in these types of molds. (my cousin does some of this for profit. i read some of his books he bought for it.) In that manner you could get dishes, shallow bowls, ash trays, etc. Obviously, this oven would be cooler than the oven that smelted the glass in the first place. It needs to be malleable, soft, loose, not quite fluid.
Glass beads can also be made. And i could go into a whole lecture on that as well, and the tools required, but perhaps at a later date?
obsidian, zaecus, 2006-03-30 21:33:39
volcanic glass is obsidian. Onyx is a type of flowstone, IIRC, that forms in caves.
Glassmaking is also an insanely complex process requiring a phenomenal amount of knowledge and skill to get right, -but- not all of that knowledge has to be located in one place as it was when Venice had the monopoly on glassware in the middle ages and renaissance.
Last time I checked, there were a minimum of a dozen distinct steps in going from sand to finished quality glassware. Modern glassmaking automates this process.
Glassmaking is also an insanely complex process requiring a phenomenal amount of knowledge and skill to get right, -but- not all of that knowledge has to be located in one place as it was when Venice had the monopoly on glassware in the middle ages and renaissance.
Last time I checked, there were a minimum of a dozen distinct steps in going from sand to finished quality glassware. Modern glassmaking automates this process.
heh, garvin, 2006-03-30 22:35:43
my bad...i knew what i meant, not what i was saying.